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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Tue, Feb. 27th, 2007 12:29 pm
I hate IDEs

It's a damn good thing I've made a compulsive habit of saving every two minutes.

I've been trying to use Eclipse lately, because it has some semi-useful refactoring tools and it gives useful warnings that normal Java doesn't (like "unused local variable x"). But compared to Vim... it's a buggy piece of shit.

It crashes on me, or runs out of memory, at least a half-dozen times a day.

It'll be useful when the time comes to do the refactoring we need to do, but right now, for normal development ... I'm not sure its organizational features even save me as much time as I'm spending dealing with its crashes.

At least it's reasonably responsive ... though I should hope it would be on this machine.

Why the hell does it need 400MB RAM, anyway? :p

-- Des

Current Mood: annoyed annoyed

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toranin
toranin
Toranin
Wed, Feb. 28th, 2007 09:06 am (UTC)

There's a commercial IDE I've used called IDEA with similar refactoring capabilities and (IME) less resource usage and more stability. They often have a free beta available via their Early Access Program, though of course the stability of that varies depending on where they are in their development cycle.


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pikamagi
pikamagi
Fri, Mar. 2nd, 2007 05:48 am (UTC)
Give it more memory

I used Eclipse for day-to-day coding when I lived in the Java-land.

Just give it more memory. Who cares if it eats up 400MB? RAM is cheap. Also, from my experience, SWT works better on Windows; it seems a lot snappier. All that said, Eclipse has always been relatively stable for me (days of hacking at a time).

I don't know if you're doing this, but you might back out to a conservative Java + Eclipse configuration and see if that helps stability.


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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Tue, Mar. 6th, 2007 10:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Give it more memory

Did that, it didn't help. I don't think the crashes are due to memory pressure. (I tripled the amount of RAM it was being given -- from 256 to 768M.)

And, frankly... it shouldn't be eating up that much RAM. Period. I have 2GB of RAM in this machine so I can keep lots of different things open, not so Eclipse can swallow it all and then start eating swap.

Eclipse is just *one* of the tools I use. It is not--and should not be--*the* tool. (That's what Emacs is for. :p)

I'm using the latest 1.5 JVM from Sun. I'm not sure how much more conservative I can get. (1.4 apparently isn't even supported on 64-bit Linux.)


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pikamagi
pikamagi
Tue, Mar. 6th, 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
Re: Give it more memory

Dollars to donuts says it's the x86-64-ness. I had issues with this as well until I switched to the 32-bit version.


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