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deskitty

Des

	Tue, Jun. 9th, 2009 12:17 pm

Reposting Deleted Comment

I left a comment on

luphinus' post about the fur dealer at Califur, which he saw fit to delete. I'm reposting it here, along with his (similarly deleted) response.

[As a quick side note, I automatically repost things like that on the theory that if someone gets upset enough to actually delete it, it obviously had enough of an impact to make it worth keeping around. Plus, I'm not a fan of censorship in general, particularly where it concerns civil discussion. I won't delete comments in my journal--unless they are patently abusive, or spam--for this reason.

I thought about not posting it, as I don't want to spread drama. But, (a) I feel pretty strongly about the censorship thing, and (b) it's funny in a tragic sort of way. >.> I trust those of you who read this to treat it for what it is -- silliness.]

My comment follows:

I am not going to take a position on this, because without talking to Califur and the vendor himself I simply don't have enough information to do so.

I'm assuming, based on your subsequent reactions, you are not aware of how your initial post was received, and were surprised when your outrage was met with sarcasm and laughter. As someone who was tempted to respond similarly, let me try to explain.

You had the opportunity to start a calm, reasoned discussion on this subject -- a discussion that may have yielded something positive on both sides, either by getting the vendor evicted once a consensus is reached, or by providing you with more information to dispel any incorrect assumptions you might hold.

Instead of starting that discussion, however, you chose to engage in name-calling and drama-whoring of the "ZOMG YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME SO I'VE LOST RESPECT FOR YOU" variety, even going so far as to list off the individuals you feel have wronged you, as if they are supposed to care if you've "lost respect" for them.

And yet you wonder why people don't take you seriously, why they respond with sarcasm. It's because from your very first post, you have managed to incite stereotypical furry drama while adding very little useful discussion to the issue at hand.

And personally, I'm irritated that once again, you are spamming me (not me directly, of course, but my friends page, Twitter feed, etc.) with dramatic bullshit. You might actually have some valid points, but if so they're impossible for me to find beneath all the BS.

I hope you consider this next time you decide to post a rant. If you don't demonstrate at least basic respect for people whose opinions are different from yours, and if you don't make, at minimum, an honest effort to back up your position with facts (as opposed to hearsay), people are much less likely to take you seriously.

His response:

Remove me from your friends page. I've already removed you from mine.

Clearly, my point sailed right past him.

-- Des

Tags: adults, drama, furries, stupidity
Current Location: Work: San Francisco
Current Mood:

amused

my_pet_rhino

My Pet Rhino

	Tue, Jun. 9th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)

Awesome! It takes people months to do what you accomplished in seconds: How to get Luph to leave you the hell alone :)

sezjasaneh

Sezjasaneh

	Tue, Jun. 9th, 2009 08:32 pm (UTC)

People like this are best left off your friend page, so I wouldn't shed any tears over it.

In general I delete comments when I know they are going to incite drama. Used to keep them around but after the drama-spam galore of B and A, I decided best to just keep my journal that much less soap-operish. Had another one awhile back, deleted it because the individual managed to miss every point of an article, instead putting his own view. Later on, he posted on S's page (after S wrote about dealing with a ton of crap) about 'it gets worse buddy, get ready for your relationships to fail next to' which I felt was rude at best, not to mention stupid - if you really feel this way why the hell tell a friend who's already dealing with crap? Anyways, neither me nor L took joy to it, he responded back snarkly, someone else joined in and 9 posts later mini-flame going on. So, I try and avoid that on my lj

deskitty

Des

	Tue, Jun. 9th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)

People like this are best left off your friend page, so I wouldn't shed any tears over it.

Believe me, I'm not.

In general I delete comments when I know they are going to incite drama.

"Drama" by itself isn't a strong enough reason, in my book. People actually have to be abusive -- using ad hominem attacks and such -- to get deleted. If there is healthy disagreement or a rousing discussion going on, that's fine. But personal attacks are right out.

rileycostello

Riley Costello/Katie Fox

	Tue, Jun. 9th, 2009 09:46 pm (UTC)

I went to read his post, and I think it's funny that just because you don't agree with him (anyone- not you in particular), he has suddenly lost respect for you... but asks for YOUR respect, of HIS opinion.

lol.

I don't agree with the fur trade but sometimes it's better to not let the animal go to waste (e.g. a peaceful death in a zoo; something put out its misery caught in a trap, an animal killing your livestock that is your livelihood). It's FUR FARMS and UNNECESSARY fur farming I don't agree with.

lawl, this kid needs a reality wake up call. Life's not all sunshine and peaches, kitten.

deskitty

Des

	Thu, Jun. 11th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC)

I think it's funny that just because you don't agree with him (anyone- not you in particular), he has suddenly lost respect for you... but asks for YOUR respect, of HIS opinion.

I know. It seems inherently hypocritical to me, but I doubt he'd be able to see that.

lawl, this kid needs a reality wake up call.

"Kid", hehe... this guy's in his 30s.

darkone238

Darkenwolf

	Wed, Jun. 10th, 2009 04:45 am (UTC)

Luph sounds like a twat.

deskitty

Des

	Thu, Jun. 11th, 2009 05:16 am (UTC)

heh. I wasn't gonna go that far, but I'm having a hard time coming up with any less perjorative terms... :p

dktiger21

	Wed, Jun. 10th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)

I don't like hunting and the slaughter of animals. But my concern and strength would be going into people who neglect, and beat animals. And joining the law enforcement to stop it. Now there is a good way to support your beliefs. Make a difference, don't buy, or support local or none local groups that are in your same efforts. Or doing something in your life that is life changing in a positive way for your efforts, that is not whining and like you said BS someone elses time. And banning completly is BS someone elses time. You cannot completly stop it, but you can make a postive difference it is called do your home work. Not all pelts are from animals who suffered they were already dead and people have different beliefs, and that is how we are human. luv ya Des!!

deskitty

Des

	Thu, Jun. 11th, 2009 05:21 am (UTC)

I'm OK with it only insofar as it's done humanely and only when necessary for food, which is why I'm glad CA passed that one law last year about cage sizes.

And you're right, pelts can come from any number of places. I think it's better to use the whole animal where possible than just kill it for its meat, or its skin, or whatever. In the end, it means fewer animals are killed.

oakwind44

Oakwind Softlight

	Wed, Jun. 10th, 2009 08:51 am (UTC)

*hands Des a giant "BAAAAAAWWWWWWWW!!!1" sign* Here, it sounds like this needs to get put somewhere. ;-P