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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Sat, Jun. 27th, 2009 10:00 am
Obama = Bush #2? Maybe...

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Imprisoning people indefinitely flies in the face of the Rule of Law, not to mention Due Process rights in the Constitution.

Our Constitutional Scholar president should be aware of, and understand this. If he chooses to ignore it, that will send a strong and very negative message about him and his administration.

The guy is starting to look more and more like an eloquent, slimier version of Bush. Bush, at least, was reasonably honest about what he was doing -- Obama, not so much. Obama so far has failed at living up to his promises on LGBT rights, and it seems likely he will fail again on more general civil rights -- such as the right to a fair trial.

It seems like the latter is one of the few things all Americans, Republican or Democrat, should be able to agree on. It is extremely disappointing that Obama seems to be ignoring this.

[Edit: I've added a link to Americablog's breakdown of the brief the Justice Department in federal court defending the Defense of Marriage Act in the text above. Please read it before commenting.]

-- Des

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silentoutrage
silentoutrage
Phalanxfox
Sat, Jun. 27th, 2009 06:20 pm (UTC)

I understand where your comming from, but if given the choice. Honestly I would still rather have Obama as president than some evangelical Republican who would rather push back the clock on gay rights and do all that other fun stuff that made America a weaker country. We need to remember there is still a massive percentage of the US population that hates glbt people based soley on there closed minded values and ignorance/bigotry ect. If Obama does everything we want him to do at once, I can promise you, the political rebellion in the next congressional and presidential election will revert America back to GOP rule...Which will be far more damaging than Obama and a Democrat congress.

I would love full equal rights, but I understand too that to accomplish that will cost us politically in the next election.

I dunno, thats just my view on it. *snugs*


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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Sat, Jun. 27th, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)

We've been hearing this "wait, we'll get to you later" BS since the Clinton administration. There is strong public support for repealing DADT, for example, so where is the bill? Where is the executive order?

The fact that Obama has a 'D' in front of his name does not give him a free pass to actively break his promise and work against the LGBT community (as he has done with the DOMA brief). Nor does it give him permission to disregard the rule of law, exactly as Bush has done, with respect to torture and detention.

I am not a Democrat, and I am not a Republican. I am an American, and that means I stand for civil rights and the rule of law regardless of the politics involved. Fundamental human rights are and should be above politics.

I don't care if there is a D- or an R- in front of someone's name; if they advance the cause, I will join them. If they work against it, they are my opponent.

Obama is making himself my opponent.


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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Sat, Jun. 27th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)

On a more political note, I get the distinct impression the Democrats have allowed themselves to be steamrolled by the Republican's shrill whining about terrorism and values, to the point where I see little substantive difference between the two parties.

Bush established the warrantless wiretapping regime. Obama is continuing and defending it in court. (Rule of law -- there's no excuse there.)

Clinton passed and signed DOMA. Bush... religious nutjob, 'nuff said. Obama's defending DOMA. (Aren't the Dems supposed to be the socially-liberal ones? Not seeing a huge difference here, other than the Dems are saying one thing and doing another.)

Bush started large corporate bailouts. (Seems like a more stereotypically-Dem thing to do to me.) Obama continued them, as expected.

Under Bush, the national deficit ballooned to record levels. I haven't heard much about what Obama's doing there. (But I thought Dems had the reputation of being the crazy spenders?)

Obama's tax plan was going to implement more cuts than McCain's. (I thought Repubs were the ones that hated taxes?)

The ideological boundaries of both parties have shifted such that it's practically impossible for me to tell them apart anymore. It seems after Obama got into office, the Dems shifted markedly to the right (they are lukewarm at best on personal freedoms -- see above), while the Republicans (who were co-opted by religious nutjobs way back when) are now more about holy wars and "protecting the homeland" (whatever that means) than fiscal conservatism and small government.

It's no wonder Fox news keeps putting 'D's in front of Republican names. Even I'm having a hard time telling them apart.


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panth
panth
Panth
Sat, Jun. 27th, 2009 06:56 pm (UTC)

Des, do keep in mind Obama hasn't been in office that long and his place has been full since he took office. Give it another few months to see where things are. :)


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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Sat, Jun. 27th, 2009 07:11 pm (UTC)

Go back and read the DOMA brief his administration filed. (I edited the post to add a link to it above.) Then tell me I should "give it more time".

The guy has started actively working against us. This is not acceptable.


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silentoutrage
silentoutrage
Phalanxfox
Sun, Jun. 28th, 2009 05:01 am (UTC)

It would be incredibly stupid for Obama to work agienst us. Our community is a big part of there funding, hell ive given $200 so far this year to the DCCC, excluding the $500 ish I gave to the Obama people in parts last fall..


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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Sun, Jun. 28th, 2009 07:42 am (UTC)

It IS incredibly stupid, and yet he's doing it anyway. Go figure.

There's now a big push to withhold gay money from the Democrats for this very reason. You might have heard about it in relation to the recent (upcoming?) fundraiser (which most gay PACs have withdrawn from). (Sorry I don't have a link handy, it's late and I'm tired, hehe.)


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