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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Tue, Sep. 18th, 2007 09:53 am
Things about free speech I find offensive...

...particularly when related to IRC chat rooms.

People who whine about being censored when they're asshats. If you come in, and you bitch, whine, moan, backstab, yell, scream, fling poop (obscenities) or generally make yourself unpleasant, the hosts of the party (the channel ops) will then ask you to leave. In so doing, they are not violating your free speech rights. There are plenty of other forums (even other channels on the same server) in which you may express yourself. But the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to private servers, period. So get this through your heads: On IRC, you have no 1st Amendment rights.

People who whine because someone else said something they think is offensive. No, we will not "think of the children", so just shut up already. A lot of us have sex drives, and we will make (not-too-explicit, not-too-tasteless) jokes about it. Some of us also do/do not like our Great Leader George W. Bush(tm). I don't care if you find that opinion offensive -- everyone has a right to one, however misinformed. They also have a right (because the #fcs channel rules, for example, give them that right) to express it in a considerate, respectful manner. If you find it offensive, that's your problem, and nobody else's.

Actually, I find the whole concept of being offended, offensive. (Ironic, isn't it?) Grow up already. We're all adults, or close to it -- we should be able to conduct ourselves in a considerate and respectful manner, no matter how passionately we may feel about something.

Yes, these two points are in opposition to each other. What it really boils down to, though, is how considerate someone is of those around them.

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In other news, my freezer tried to kill me last night. It dropped a very heavy glass bottle on my foot at high speed, then bonked me on the head when I tried to stand up again after doubling over in pain. Needless to say, I'm moving slowly today. :p

-- Des

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quentincoyote
Quentin Coyote
Tue, Sep. 18th, 2007 06:41 pm (UTC)

This is all, of course, naturually just general musing, and not at all prompted by any kind of recent events, I gather... ;) *slurps!*


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deskitty
deskitty
Des
Tue, Sep. 18th, 2007 06:47 pm (UTC)

Oh no, of course not. It's all totally, 100% hypothetical. Yup. ::nods:: ;)

::giggles and nuzzles back::


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vap0rtranz
vap0rtranz
Justin
Fri, Sep. 21st, 2007 08:28 am (UTC)
You, Me, and the Law

But the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to private servers, period.

Well, newspapers are also private entities yet the government has censored their speech. Regardless I see what you mean: whether the Constitution and the States' statues for the public domain apply to private domains. ... it depends. Many citizens want government limitations on corporations and base the rational on individual rights via (ironically) the 'good of the People', yet others (and sometimes the same people) don't want corporations or other group entities -- like the Majority -- to use the government to limit their privacy. So it seems to be a hodgepodge that depends on who believe the group has privacy versus the individual has privacy. (It always strikes me odd that people don't think groups have privacy yet keep secrets with their friends -- plural.) But newspapers are not IRC servers, as you will undoubtedly note, despite the (usually free) publication of text information to a (usually) open, aka. public, audience. So this was just my criticism on the two extremes: I have every right (to be offended/to be offensive) vs. you have not rights (to either).

we should be able to conduct ourselves in a considerate and respectful manner,

That's paradoxical when it's offensive to be offended, because the offended by offensive is likewise not being respectful of the offender. Obviously there is a line that terminates the idiom, "I respect your opinion". One would be hate speech.


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